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UK Against Fluoridation

Friday, October 28, 2016

NZ - Community Water Fluoridation


Hear from trusted NZ health professionals and community leaders about community water fluoridation. They talk about the facts, the benefits and dispel some of the myths related to this critical health measure.

Are they implying all those professionals who speak against fluoride are not to be trusted? 
Yes they are. 
Are they saying there are no facts that point to contrary evidence as to fluoridation's effectiveness and safety. 
Yes they are.

Canada - Fluoride debate not expected in Sault

By Elaine Della-Mattia, Sault Star
A symbolic resolution passed by the Ontario government is giving notice to municipalities that it does not support removing fluoride from tap water.

The legislation, which was recently passed with the support of all parties, is not considered binding but designed to encourage and educate Ontarians about the health benefits of fluoride in tap water.
To have or remove fluoride in drinking water has been debated within communities across Ontario – and Canada – for decades.
Many health officials advocate for fluoride in tap water while opponents counter that too much fluoride can cause neurological damage.
As a result of the resolution, Health Minister Eric Hoskins has said he and Ontario's chief medical officer of health, will write to every municipal government and public health agency across Ontario in support of fluoridation.
Sault Ste. Marie CAO Al Horsman said he has not received that letter in his office yet.
However, Horsman said the city would look to the PUC to review and comment on the issue and from that, determine whether the matter should be brought before council.
A member of council can also choose to write a motion and seek the support of council for it.
Sault PUC communication supervisor Giordan Zin said the PUC has no plans to implement fluoride in tap water.
“We are working on our water quality issues first and we are seeking continued improvements in that area,” Zin said.
Sault Ste. Marie residents have rejected adding the fluoride chemical to the city drinking water on three occasions.
The last time was in 1985, by a margin of 63.5%, an even higher margin than the two previous referendums, in 1968 and 1970.
At that time, the city was said to be one of just four Ontario municipalities with populations over 80,000 that did not fluoridate. Wawa residents opted to add fluoride in the same municipal election and neighbours in the Michigan Sault drink fluoridated water.
In 2007, then-city councillor James Caicco attempted to bring the matter before the public again, but other councillors defeated a motion that requested a report, thus strangling the debate at an early stage.
Dentists and public health units have consistently advocated that adding fluoride to tap water is the most simple, cost-effective way to strengthen and develop children's teeth.
In recent years, some municipalities have shut off the tap, ending fluoride in municipal water. Statistics show that those communities have seen increases in dental decay.
Despite the new provincial legislation, the issue is not one that the Algoma Public Health will raise at this time.
Ann Cuzzolino, a registered dental hygienist with APH said it is the responsibility of the city to request that the health unit open the fluoride debate again.
“APH has always supported fluoride as one of the most important population-based health strategy measures for the community,” she said.
In addition, the World Health Organization also considers fluoride a best practice, she said.
Since Sault Ste. Marie currently doesn't have fluoride in its water, residents are encouraged to visit family dentists regularly for dental care and preventative fluoride treatment. Fluoridated toothpaste, brushing regularly and monitoring sugar intake are also other ways encourage healthy dental practices.
Fluoride has been added to tap water by municipalities since about 1945.
Fluoridation does not affect the appearance, taste or smell of drinking water. The controlled injection of the mineral to the public water supply is designed to reduce tooth decay.
There is some natural fluoride in drinking water but not enough to prevent tooth decay.

Thursday, October 27, 2016

UK - Bradford children's oral health improving, says report

ORAL health of five-year-olds across the district is improving, according to a new report.
Cllr Val SlaterFigures show that the average number of decayed, missing and filled teeth in youngsters was 1.5 in 2014-15 – compared to 1.98 in 2011-12 and 2.42 in 2007-08.
Bradford Council's public health department is carrying out several measures to bring about improvement, including work by health visitors at six to 12 months for all infants and a community-based fluoride varnish programme for children aged two to four.
Councillor Val Slater (pictured), the Council's deputy leader and portfolio holder for health and wellbeing, said: "Giving children the best start in life is one reason why improving the oral health of our youngsters remains a key public health priority for the Bradford district.
"No child should suffer from tooth decay, but it's still a significant problem nationally and it remains one of the most common reasons for hospital admissions for children aged five to nine despite the fact it is almost entirely preventable.
"Early intervention with families is key to making sure parents and their children understand the importance of having good oral health. Learning to brush teeth properly with a family fluoride toothpaste as soon as they appear, reducing the amount of sugary food and drinks children consume and regular visits to a dentist are steps every parent can take to help ensure their children's teeth remain healthy."


TheMiller8:08am Thu 27 Oct 16
Hmmm - Just for Info - here is the full paragraph from the actual report - which can be found on the link below - Both the T&A and Ms Slater seem to have "accidentally" missed out the last sentence - IE the "bad news" bit !

"Update on the Oral Health of Children in Bradford District. The oral health of young children is monitored by a 3 yearly survey and the latest survey for 2014/15 shows a significant improvement for Bradford district; the average, (or mean), decayed missing and filled teeth (dmft) in 5 year old children was 1.5 in 2014/15 .
However, rates of decay and dmft in children remain above regional and national averages and hence, there still needs to be a major focus on prevention and early intervention work in this area. "


In fact if you read the report itself you will find that Bradford City still has some of the worst levels of child tooth decay in the country - and the situation in the City itself does not seem to be getting any better. In fact the only thing saving Bradford is the situation in Airedale & Wharfdale. The figure is 4.1 in Bowling and around 2.0 in almost every other city center ward in Bradford showing little or no improvement on the 2012 average.

Its funny how they can put a positive spin on this when only a fortnight ago they were reporting that people were generally unable to find an NHS dentist in Bradford and waiting 6 months+ for treatment or even being advised to take their children into A&E instead.

Anyway another bit of T&A/Council collaboration spin quashed...

Arsenic and Fluoride Toxicity to Human Umbilical Vein Cells

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Arsenic and Fluoride Toxicity to Human Umbilical Vein Cells
Posted on October 26, 2016 | Leave a comment
Ma Y, Ma Z, Yin S, Yan X, Wang J. Arsenic and fluoride induce apoptosis, inflammation and oxidative stress in cultured human umbilical vein endothelial cells. Chemosphere. 2016 Oct 14;167:454-461. doi: 10.1016/j.chemosphere.2016.10.025.

Excessive amount of inorganic arsenic (iAs) and fluoride (F) coexist in drinking water in many regions, which is associated with high risk of vascular diseases. However, the underlying mechanisms are not well studied. The present study was to evaluate the effects of iAs and F individual or combined exposure on endothelial activation and apoptosis in vitro. Primary human umbilical vein endothelial cells (HUVECs) were exposed to 5 μM As2O3 and/or 1 mM NaF. Changes in endothelial cell apoptosis, inflammation, oxidative stress and nitric oxide (NO) production were analyzed. The results showed that iAs and/or F induced significant increase in endothelial cell apoptosis and inflammation as indicated by the increase of mRNA and protein expression of vascular cell adhesion molecule-1, intercellular adhesion molecule-1, and pentraxin 3. Furthermore, iAs and/or F exposure induced intracellular reactive oxygen species and malondialdehyde generation. Results showed iAs and/or F exposure increased the activity of NADPH oxidase (NOX) and up-regulated the mRNA expression of NOX subunits p22phox. The results indicated that activation of NOX was related to oxidative stress induced by iAs and/or F. Also, iAs and/or F reduced NO production in HUVECs. The up-regulation of inflammation genes expression and oxidative stress in iAs and F co-exposed ECs were less pronounced as compared to single F-exposed cells, which showed an antagonistic effect between iAs and F. In conclusion, endothelial activation and apoptosis induced by iAs and/or F are potential mechanisms in their vascular toxicity. Oxidative stress and impaired NO production are involved in their pro-inflammatory and pro-apoptotic effects.

Anybody know what this is in simple terms, does it cause vascular disease? There is seemingly a huge rise in Alzheimer's. My neighbour has it several of my friends are suffering as well. 
Thankfully I've never used fluoride toothpaste or had it in my water and I only drink weak milky tea.

Very poor sound = can't make out what it's about for or against - strange class about fluoride

Fluoride Can Seriously Kill Your Thyroid Gland

The Berkey | Oct 14, 2016
© The Berkey
There is a discouraging extent of research studies showing that the widely lauded benefits of fluoride dental health are more imagined than real. The fallout of sustained fluoride intake on general health is the core concern. Again, there is a mass of research literature on this matter, freely available and even being talked about across the globe.

However, this effort of endeavor was not considered by the York Review when their proposition was changed from "Studies of the effects of fluoride on health" to "Studies on the effects of fluoridated water on health." It is clearly evident that it was not considered by the BMA (British Medical Association), British Dental Association (BDA), BFS (British Fluoridation Society) and FPHM, (Faculty of Public Health and Medicine) since they all insist, as in the briefing paper to Members of Parliament - that fluoridation is safe and non-injurious to health.

It is a shameful fact yet it is much fitting to discover the effects of fluoridation, specifically to the thyroid gland.
It has been acknowledged since the latter part of the 19th century that certain communities, notably in Argentina, India, and Turkey were chronically ill, with premature aging, arthritis, mental retardation, and infertility; and high levels of natural fluorides in the water were responsible. Not only was it clear that the fluoride was having a general outcome on the health of the community, but in the early 1920s Goldemberg, working in Argentina showed that fluoride was displacing iodine; thus associating the damage and rendering the community also hypothyroid from iodine deficiency.

Fluoride Was Once Prescribed as an Antithyroid Drug

Most of us think that fluoride is generally a good supplement to reduce tooth decay. Fluoride, however, has also been prescribed as a drug to reduce the activity of the thyroid gland. Up through the 1950s, doctors in Europe and South America prescribed fluoride to reduce thyroid function in patients with overactive thyroids (hyperthyroidism).

Doctors selected fluoride as a thyroid suppressant based on findings linking fluoride to goiter, and, as predicted, fluoride therapy did reduce thyroid activity in the treated patients.

Moreover, according to clinical research, the fluoride dose capable of reducing thyroid function was notably low — just 2 to 5 mg per day over several months. This dose is well within the range (1.6 to 6.6 mg/day) of what individuals living in fluoridated communities are now estimated to receive on a regular basis.
Eminently harmful to the thyroid gland

This was the basis of the research in the 1930s of May, Litzka, Gorlitzer von Mundy, who used fluoride preparations to treat overactive thyroid illness. Their patients either drank fluoridated water, swallowed fluoride pills or were bathed in fluoridated bath water; and their thyroid function was, as a result, greatly depressed.....................................

USA - Council hears arguments against fluoride in water supply

By Brad Kellar Herald-Banner Staff
Council hears arguments
Brad Kellar
Council hears argumentsJudy Woods was among the people addressing the Greenville City Council Tuesday about the recent decision to resume adding fluoride into the water supply.

The Greenville City Council may decide to reverse course on adding fluoride back into the local water supply, after several people have told the council Tuesday they were unhappy about the recent decision to resume the practice. A split council voted two weeks ago to resume adding fluoride, based on the recommendation of a local dentist, after having suspended the practice for three years.

Judy Woods was one of those who spoke up at the start of Tuesday’s meeting, claiming there are several studies which recommend against it. “When you put it in the city water, there is no way to control the dosage,” she said, warning that a person who drinks eight glasses of water a day will receive twice as much as a person who drinks four glasses. She also warned that long term exposure is also harmful. “It stays in the bones and it can lead to problems there,” she said.

At the Oct. 11 meeting, Dr. Jeffrey Nelson, D.D.S. said there was no scientific evidence which indicated there was any harm to the public by the move, which would help lead to healthier teeth for the city’s population, whereas there is 70 years of studies available, “that show nothing but positive benefits.” But Kory Watkins said fluoride can be considered as a medication. “You can’t control the dosage that way,” Watkins said, also referring to medical studies which were opposed to the idea. Watkins also believes the addition of fluoride to the water supply is unconstitutional. “It goes against the consent of a person you are forcing to drink this medication,” he said.

The City of Greenville ceased fluoridation of its drinking water in Sept. 2013, due to the effort causing too much wear and tear on equipment. Director of Public Works John Wright has said the current fluoride concentration found naturally in the city’s raw water supply averages one-third to one-half of the fluoride level recommended by the EPA. Wright said the addition of fluoride to the city’s treated drinking water would raise the natural concentration of about .3 parts per million (ppm) up to the recommended level of 0.7 ppm, with the initial estimated $50,000 in expenses covered in the city budget.

Wright said he had heard that extremely high concentrations of fluoride in the water supply, several times the amount to be added, might result in hurting the teeth of baby’s or making bones brittle. “But we are way away from that,” Wright said on Oct. 11

However Nancy Estrada said Tuesday that the city was intending to add fluorosalicylic acid, and not natural fluoride, into the water supply. “It is basically toxic waste,” she said, asking the council to reverse its decision. The council voted 4-2 Oct. 11 to proceed with the addition of fluoride.

At the conclusion of the regular session agenda Tuesday, the council approved a motion by Council member Holly Gotcher to bring the issue back for another vote at the Nov. 8 meeting.

Australia - Babinda meeting of Cairns Council turns on issue of fluoride in water

Jim Campbell, The Cairns Post
October 26, 2016
Cairns Regional Council having its major meeting for the month in Babinda. Mayor Bob Manning. PICTURE: STEWART McLEANCAIRNS regional councillors have gone out of their way to dodge advice on the controversial fluoride issue despite an official request by the region’s health professionals.
The council held its ordinary meeting at Babinda RSL Memorial Hall yesterday before a sizeable public gallery.

Councillors were happy to discuss a number of local agenda items, including updates about the success of the Babinda Harvest Festival, Gordonvale’s Great Pyramid Race and new economic dev­elopment plans for the two towns. But the mood changed when the issue of fluoride was raised toward the end of the meeting.

The council was presented with a petition from the newly revived Cairns Local Medical Association in support of water fluoridation. It was signed by 134 health professionals, including about 80 doctors, who were imploring the councillors to listen to scientific evidence about fluoridation.

Upon receipt of a public petition the council has three options: to receive the petition, to receive it and request a rep­ort back from council officers, or to “not receive” the document. A resolution to receive the petition and request a report back from officers had been prepared before yesterday’s meeting.

But Division 2 Councillor John Schilling changed the resolution to strike out the request for a rep­ort by officers. His change was supported by his fellow councillors, except for councillors Richie Bates and Brett Moller and Mayor Bob Manning, who said the petition deserved a report back from officers. But the three were outvoted.

Minutes later councillors were presented with two more petitions concerning suburban road infrastructure changes. They were accepted and will be formally responded to by officers. Cr Bates said the move by Cr Schilling and the subsequent vote was a “slap in the face” for Cairns medical professionals. “The majority of councillors have voted to receive the petition and then throw it straight in the bin,” he said.

“The two other petitions tabled today had officer reports requested so their substance could be investigated and considered. It is dumbfounding that councillors could not apply the same standard to the petition from medical practitioners.”

I expect they have looked at the whole scientific evidence.

Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Old video but.............

USA - South Bay Activists Threaten to Sue over Water Fluoridation

South Bay Activists Threaten to Sue over Water Fluoridation
By Jennifer Wadsworth 
Plans to start fluoridating the South Bay's water supply has drawn some backlash. (Photo by Steve Johnson, via Flickr)Plans to start fluoridating the South Bay's water supply has drawn some backlash. (Photo by Steve Johnson, via Flickr)
Plans to start fluoridating the South Bay's water supply has drawn some backlash. (Photo by Steve Johnson, via Flickr)
Seven decades since American cities began fluoridating public water supplies to prevent tooth decay, the South Bay remains something of a holdout. It’s the largest metropolitan region in the nation to not fluoridate its water.
That’s about to change, but not without some pushback. Activists have threatened to sue the Santa Clara Valley Water District to prevent it from adding the mineral, which it planned to start doing this December.
The plaintiffs, groups called Safe Pure Water and Healthy Alternatives to Pesticides, plan to protest fluoridation at a water district meeting Tuesday night.
“Water district officials should stick to the agency’s legal charter and not masquerade as dentists prescribing fluoride to patients they have never even met,” said Brandi Madison, the group’s spokeswoman.
Two-thirds of the country drinks tap water treated with the chemical, which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention call one of the top public health achievements of the 20th century.
Although fluoridation is common, it has never been universally accepted. Detractors criticize the practice of adding it to the public tap as mass medication. Others take issue with the chemical itself, which they see as an environmental pollutant. A 2015 study linked fluoride with the prevalence of attention deficit disorders in the U.S.
Public health officials, however, say fluoridation is a boon for low-income communities who are unable to afford regular dental care. Santa Clara Valley’s water district, which provides wholesale drinking water for 1.8 million people, debated the issue for years before deciding to jump on board with the other 75 percent of the country.

Marty Grimes, a spokesman for the district, said the agency has been raising money with help from local nonprofits. The Santa Clara County Health Trust donated $1 million for the cause, with another $900,000 coming from the First 5 California and $500,000 from the California Dental Association Foundation.

They can always find money for fluoridation. How much do they charge for veneers to cover the fluorosis?

Cairns doctors table petition in support of water fluoridation

Cairns doctors table petition in support of water fluoridation

Kimberley Vlasic, The Cairns Post

Cairns Local Medical Association spokeswoman and orthopedic surgeon, Dr Sarah Coll, is spearheading a campaign calling on Cairns Regional Council to reintroduce fluoride to the city’s water supply.A  PETITION in support of water fluoridation and bearing the signatures of about 80 doctors will be presented to Cairns Regional Council today.
Spearheaded by the newly revived Cairns Local Medical Association, the 134-strong petition calls on councillors to listen to medical advice ­and reintroduce the tooth-strengthening chemical to the local water supply.
The council decided to stop fluoride flowing through the city’s taps in 2013.
CLMA spokeswoman and orthopedic surgeon Sarah Coll said she felt compelled to campaign on the issue because of the “overwhelming” scientific evidence supporting the use of fluoride and backing of peak medical bodies.

“We felt that Cairns residents deserved to have the same standard of living available to southeast Queenslanders and we felt the council should move forward with the decision to return fluoride to our water,” she said.

But the petition could fall on deaf ears, with a council spokeswoman reiterating that the standing resolution of the council was not to fluoridate water for two reasons: “Firstly, expressed consent of the community should be sought before entering into a process such as fluoridation,” she said. “The results of the Our Cairns survey clearly indicate that there is no overwhelming community support for fluoride. “Secondly, that oral health is a responsibility of the State Government.”

Last week Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk committed to reinstating a capped infrastructure grants program for councils wanting to introduce fluoride into their drinking water. Water and waste committee chairman Councillor Richie Bates believes fluoridation should be mandated across the state but admits that is unlikely to happen.

“In the absence of universal dental health care, the most important thing we can do to protect the most vulnerable in the community is to introduce fluoridation,” he said. “At the moment the responsibility rests with councils ... the current councillors aren’t interested in the matter at all.”

Dr Coll hopes the petition will be the first step in a consultation with local experts.

“I’m not saying fluoride is going to cure dental decay – but what if it helps one kid?” she said.

Pathetic last statement - but what if it gives fluorosis to lots of kids.

Tuesday, October 25, 2016

== FLUORIDEGATE BEDFORD == Poison, Lies and Videotape: from July 2015 to October 2016

Not sure if current but worth listening too if you never heard it before.

Monday, October 24, 2016

Australia - Dental experts renew calls for Cairns to fluoridate water supply

James Cook University Head of Dentistry Professor Neil Meredith has offered to present scientific evidence about water fluoridation to Cairns Regional Council.James Cook University Head of Dentistry Professor Neil Meredith has offered to present scientific evidence about water fluoridation to Cairns Regional Council.
James Cook University Head of Dentistry Professor Neil Meredith has offered to present scientific evidence about water fluoridation to Cairns Regional Council.
Dental experts renew calls for Cairns to fluoridate water supply

Kimberley Vlasic, The Cairns Post
October 23, 2016 8:00pm

PRESSURE  is  mounting  for Cairns Regional Council to fluoridate the local water supply after calls for state funding were answered.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk last week committed to reinstating a capped infrastructure grants program for councils wanting to introduce the tooth strengthening chem­i­cal into their drinking water.

Speaking from James Cook University’s inaugural Dentistry Clinical Day on Saturday, Australian Dental Association spokesman Michael Foley des­cribed the funding announcement as a “small, positive step”.

Dr Foley has renewed calls for Cairns Regional Council to support water fluoridation, citing the Queensland Child Oral Health Survey 2010-12, which found children in Townsville, where fluoride was introduced in 1964, had the best dental health in the state.

“My message to Cairns Reg­ional Council is accept that dental health is a problem in Cairns,” he said.

“Dental health in Cairns is a far greater problem than it is in Townsville, just four hours down the road, and I would simply urge Cairns to listen to health experts rather than conspiracy theory fringe groups.

“Certainly the ADA, JCU and Queensland Health are very willing to help and advise council on major scientific and public health matters.”

The council decided to stop fluoride flowing through the city’s taps in 2013 but a recent community survey showed most residents wanted it back.

Mayor Bob Manning is also in favour of water fluoridation.

Dr Foley believes councillors’ reluctance is due to a lack of public health expertise and pressure from “superbly well-connected” but “completely unscientific” anti-fluoride cam­paigners.

Head of dentistry Professor Neil Meredith has once again offered to explain the scientific evidence behind fluoridation after councillors ignored a formal request by Councillor ­Richie Bates for a JCU presentation last month.

“Dental caries (cavities) is a major issue here in this area and fluoridation will access such a large part of the community that will benefit dir­ectly,” said Prof Meredith.

“It will reduce the incidence of pain and disease and it will also potentially save lives bec­ause we see patients up here who are dying of diseases, rheumatic fever, bacterial end­ocarditis, which are indirectly associated with dental decay.”


Jane 39 minutes ago
I grew up drinking fluoridated water in Melbourne. I don't have any cavities or fillings, however my teeth are brittle and pitted. I've had to have four caps and cosmetic work done. My thyroid is also diseased as are those of many of my Melburnian friends. Fluoride has been implicated by peer reviewed studies to result in both these things. The problem with it being in the water is that you don't know what dose you get. And everyone is a different age, height and weight so the negative effects of fluoridated water dosing is again unknown.

There is no safe amount for babies drinking formula milk mixed with fluoridated water.

I'd rather have cavities than a diseased thyroid and teeth so brittle that they chip when I bite into an apple.

Kelvin 2 hours ago
Cairns Post can't leave it alone; why is Cairns Post hell bent on publishing pro Fluoride articles? Seems a bit suss to me!

If you can't look after your teeth by brushing and flossing daily and eating a healthy diet then I don't think it is fair to impose fluoride in drinking water for those who don't want it.

If you wish to take fluoride then by all means get tablets or whatever else to add to your water; don't mess with mine thank you!! think of the money that could be saved and put to good use instead of costly mass meddling with our drinking water.

Lesley 3 hours ago
Like Jane and her friends below, I was also diagnosed with low thyroid activity 9 yrs ago. I was lucky in that I found out it is caused by flouride in the water. 6 months after I stopped ingesting fluoridated water my TSH hormone levels returned to normal. It has taken 8 yrs for one of my anti-body counts to recover. We have had to install (at our own expense) our own water supply because 2 yrs into my fluoride free regime my health deteriorated. Once I began to avoid physical contact with fluoridated water I came right. Living in Melbourne it is a difficult regime to maintain, I have to carry our own water around where-ever we go and I cannot eat/drink anything from supermarkets where manufactured using fluoridated water. I have utmost respect for anyone who believes fluoride is good for their teeth, by all means take as much of these chemicals as you like but please don't force these poisons onto those of us who do not wish to consume them. So undemocratic and very un-Australian forcing a fellow Australian to consume toxic waste product containing arsenic, cadmium and lead (according to the Australian Drinking Water Standards). The standards used to say that the concentration on these impurities depended on the fertilizer industry but this statement has been removed in more recent editions. Everybody deserves the right to refuse these toxins - it is all about freedom of choice, regardless of whether fluoride is good for you or not.

Dan Germouse
Dan Germouse 4 hours ago
The dismal "experts" in question either don't know the difference between correlation and causation, or are playing dumb. There is no credible evidence that taking fluoride in water has ever prevented a single dental cavity. The forced-fluoridation fanatics often try to claim that the low rates of dental caries in western European countries which do not have artificially fluoridated public water supplies are due to naturally occurring fluoride in water, or some other kind of artificial fluoridation such as salt fluoridation. They are lying. They also rely on studies which do not measure individual fluoride exposure, are not randomised, are not blinded, do not properly account for confounding factors, are highly prone to systematic error, and are typically funded by corporations such as Colgate-Palmolive.

Admin 2 hours ago
@Dan Germouse spot on mate.

Law-Rae 5 hours ago
Seriously? How many times do we have to say it? WE DO NOT WANT FLOURIDE IN OUR DRINKING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My teeth are fine withoutit thank you very much and I grew up in unflouridated areas.Just stop this nonsense about how it helps your teeth. Stop lying. Stop acting like you know stuff, when you know stuff all.JUST STOP!

Ged 6 hours ago
Anyone coming forward on the 2008 Harvard IQ studies other than a Dentist?

Colin 6 hours ago
Does this Dentist have a degree in Toxicology, Endocrinology, Neurology, or any other internal medicine speciality?

Dentists can only talk about teeth, but they want you to swallow fluoride for a lifetime without consent.

This is unethical hypocrisy, dentists can not force you to swallow anything, when you sit in a dentist's chair, but want to force fluoride into your water, food, beverages and bloodstreams.

Dan Germouse
Dan Germouse 4 hours ago

They don't even understand the effect on teeth. In reality, fluoride is toxic to teeth, not God for teeth.

Ben 7 hours ago
I personally do not want fluoride in my drinking water. In saying that, I have no problem if other people DO want it in their water.

What I do have a problem with is being forced to consume a chemical that I do not wish to, to me it's like someone comes up to me in the street and says "Here's some vitamins you have to have" and jabs a needle into me. It's an invasion of a chemical into my body that I do not want there, and council wants to take away my choice as to what goes into my body.

By all means, offer fluoride supplements or soluble tablets that people can put into their water if they wish, but don't force everyone to accept a chemical into their body that they don't want.

Michael 7 hours ago
It's too hot, and you drink too much water for there to be fluoride in the water in Cairns, too much stress on the kidneys. I'm 38 and recently had my teeth Xray'd after not drinking fluoridated water for 8 years, and the dentist said I have perfect teeth. I brush once a day with fluoridated toothpaste and eat a reasonable diet, go figure.

Sunday, October 23, 2016

The ADA, Australian Dental Association, and the Fluoride Lobby are desperate to stop the QLD Councils leaving the Forced Fluoridation fold, and will say anything to spin away from the facts..
Worldwide about 7 Billion people, and not a "noisy minority", do not have Govt Fluoride added to their tap water, so they have a CHOICE.
Even the State govt have believed their lies.
"Dr Rick Olive, President of the Australian Dental Association has said, “It’s unacceptable that local councils are giving in to the pressure of a small number of fanatics..." Spin and spin.

Not new but worth seeing again even if a wee bit over the top.

Saturday, October 22, 2016

Cllr Chris Cooke's letter to Hull councillors


It was disappointing to read in the Hull Mail that you have decided to proceed with the mass medication of Hull citizens that you call “water fluoridation”.

For 14 years I have tried to get our own politicians to research this subject. I am met by a wall of resistance and ridicule that I would expect will also apply to your council chambers. But I openly campaigned at elections on this fluoride issue – as an Independent – and have had 3 terms in Tamworth Council and am currently a Staffordshire councillor – serving on the health committees. The people clearly don’t like fluoridation. Unfortunately my area has had enforced fluoridation for over 30 years now and the skeletal fluorosis (Public Health England will always diagnose “arthritis”) has got to me and I cannot re-stand.

Public Health England adopts Nelson’s “I see no ships” policy when it comes to the long term harm fluoridation can do. Their support for fluoridation goes way beyond the boundaries of their cherry-picked observations for “evidence”. THAT is their science! There is no magic chemical reaction to harden teeth - and not touch the rest of the body!! Ask them to identify the science – they can’t – they will just woffle about “benefits”. I suppose it fills the surgeries and hospitals and keeps them all busy?

With toothpaste – yes, fluoride works – on contact with teeth - much more so because it POISONS the bacteria which feed on sugars, that produce the acid that makes the teeth decay. Common sense! Fluoride is a registered poison only a little less poisonous than arsenic! It might only be 1 part per million BUT it is accumulated in the body and WILL do long term harm – causing the symptoms of many of our “unexplained modern diseases”, disrupting the endocrine system, and even being an underlying cause of obesity. Check it out! 10% of England is fluoridated – yet 60% of the top 5 towns for obesity are also fluoridated! Coincidence? I don’t think so!

But those are only my words.

Southampton Council was threatened with fluoridation by Public Health England in recent years. Public opposition was so great Hampshire Council produced an extensive scrutiny – which gave a report of 47 pages. I have linked it here.


It does not go as far as I might – but even so it is a damning report.

Public Health England was, quite regardless of local opposition, going to steamroller this through. But they lost on time limits and legal technicalities there in the end. But they are fanatical in their promotion of this frankly medieval policy – and one that appears so plainly to breach the Nuremburg Codes on forced medications.

I offer this report link in hope that some of you may wish to see something other that a Public Health England whitewash by a PHE employee that would risk his employment if he dared to do anything except support fluoridation.

Thank you,"

COSMETIC SURGERY | Why? & Veeners Consultation

Dentists who dismiss fluorosis as cosmetic are quick to offer veneers at sky high prices.

9.29.16 Sacred Cow BBQ with Dr. James Beck, Fluoride Activist

First video I've seen with Dr J Beck. Shame many professionals come out against fluoridation only when they retire but understandable as he says it is a problem for many.

USA - Percent of Europe Doesn’t Put Hydrofluorosilicic Acid in Their Water – Why Do We?

fluoride-poison-1For over 60 years, governments have been adding fluoride to drinking water supplies all over the world. Since then, we’ve seen a dramatic reduction over time as communities all over the world have come together to stop water fluoridation within their communities. Examples in Europe include Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, 90 percent of the UK, Spain, Scotland, Norway, Switzerland and many more. It’s become more obvious everyday that industrial byproducts do not belong in our water.Just to be clear, we’re not talking about the natural element of fluoride here. Over 90 percent of Europe doesn’t fluoridate their water. (4)(5) It’s not just Europe, other countries like Japan, and communities within Australia and Canada have followed suit as well.

It was thought that small amounts of natural fluoride in drinking water would help with tooth formation, but these claims were always referring to the naturally occurring fluoride, never industrial toxic waste.

Despite being dubbed “one of the top ten public health achievements of the twentieth century,” and praised by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, it’s clear that we’ve been subject to manipulation of truth yet again. The United States has more people drinking fluoridated water than the rest of the world combined. Most industrialized nations do not fluoridate their water.

Water fluoridation started many years ago, when asbestos, PCB’s and DDT were all deemed safe. These chemicals have been banned since, when the people woke up, and it seems that water fluoridation will follow the same route. Opposition to water fluoridation has existed since its inception.

“In point of fact, fluoride causes more human cancer deaths than any other chemical. When you have power you don’t have to tell the truth. That’s a rule that’s been working in this world for generations. There are a great many people who don’t tell the truth when they are in power in administrative positions. Fluoride amounts to public murder on a grand scale. It is some of the most conclusive scientific and biological evidence that I have come across in my 50 years in the field of cancer research.” (2) – Dr. Dean Burk, Biochemist, Founder of Biotin, and Former Chief Chemist at the National Cancer Institute of Health.

What Exactly Are We Drinking?

So what exactly are we drinking? The substance added to our drinking water is called hydrofluorosilicic acid. It is a toxic waste substance created from the creation processes of aluminum, fertilizer, steel and nuclear industries. It’s not the natural element of fluoride, again, it’s industrial toxic waste.

For example, in the Phosphate Mining & Production Industry, much of the hydrofluorosilicic acid occurs from strip-mined rock. The rock is broken up, placed in giant vats where sulfuric acid is also added to get rid of whatever phosphate (and other contaminants) are in the rock. While the phosphate is extracted, the contaminants used to be released into the atmosphere. This was creating more pollution, and killing animal and plant life.

Friday, October 21, 2016

My email to Hull councillor

Councillor Colin Inglis
Were you aware that Southampton went through the consultation process for fluoridation proposed by the then SHA from 2008 and finishing with the PHE finally giving up after spending almost one million pounds.
What a waste of money that could have been used to improve children's health in other ways apart from fluoridation.
Did you know the Hampshire County Council's Health Water Fluoridation Panel were not happy with the evidence supporting fluoridation. 
I started a blog http://hampshireagainstfluoridation.blogspot.co.uk/ reporting on the issue in 2008 finishing in 2015 with our celebration at succeeding in stopping the chemicals, 200 tonnes a year, being dripped into our water.
If you are interested you can see videos on the HAF link pages of the consultation and the SHA public meeting when they made their fateful but doomed decision to fluoridate.
Bill Edmunds


UK - Councillors approve plan to add fluoride to Hull's water supply

Councillors approve plan to add fluoride to Hull's water supply
By AllisonCoggan | Posted: October 20, 2016

By Allison Coggan

APPROVED: Labour councillors in Hull approve water fluoridation plans
Plans to add fluoride to East Yorkshire's water supply have taken a major step forward after they were given the backing of Labour politicians at Hull City Council, the Mail can reveal.

Labour councillors voted by "a substantial majority", according to sources, to press ahead with controversial plans which could see Hull and parts of Holderness's water supply fluoridated to reduce the number of children with tooth decay.

Now, senior officials at the city council are consulting their counterparts at East Riding Council after a feasibility study showed the water course runs through towns in the East Riding including Hornsea, Withernsea and some of the west Hull villages although Beverley will be unaffected.

Councillor Colin Inglis, chairman of Hull Health and Wellbeing Board, said fluoridating the water supply will be the biggest single action taken by the city council to improve public health.

He said: "Our public health clinicians and officers are saying this is the one thing we can do that will have the most impact on public health in Hull.

"It is the most impactful action we could take and there is categorically no risk to health from fluoridating water from one part per million."

CONVINCED: Councillor Colin Inglis said scheme would benefit public health
More than 43 per cent of children aged five in Hull have fillings and tooth decay, one of the worst rates in the county, and around 400 children undergo general anaesthetic every year as a result of dental problems.

Fluoride, found in most toothpastes, helps protect teeth from decay by toughening the enamel. While the chemical is already present in drinking water, fluoridation increases the amount.

More than five million people in the UK are already drinking fluoridated water and tests have shown dramatic benefits to oral health.

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Cllr Inglis said Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt would be informed of Hull's intention to fluoridate the water supply and East Riding Council will have three months to consider the neighbouring authority's plan once formal notification is made by the city council next year.

A public consultation process, lasting a minimum of three months, will then begin in both Hull and in the East Riding towns affected, giving residents affected by the plan to have their say.

Hull council will then make a decision based on the feedback from the public consultation. If approved by the council, it will then be passed back to Mr Hunt for final approval.

PLAN: Water fluoridation is just one measure to improve dental health

The scheme is likely to cost £300,000 a year to run although Cllr Inglis said the scheme would pay for itself in less than two years by reducing the financial burden on health services.

"I don't know one programme I have been involved in that will pay for itself in that length of time," he said.

He said the scheme had been estimated to produce at least £6 in benefits, by reducing the financial burden on the NHS and dental services, for every £1 spent.

However, there is certain to be a major backlash against the plans from environmental campaigners, those who distrust scientific evidence stating fluoridated water has no known impact on health and those who insist adding fluoride to the water is a breach of civil liberties.

Cllr Inglis said he was prepared to listen to "any sensible argument" but said claims linking fluoridated water supplies to cancer and other serious health problems were "simply nonsense".

He said: "We had one of the leading experts at Public Health England saying there was so evidence whatsoever of any negative health impact.

"However, there is statistical evidence of a reduced incidence of kidney stones and bladder cancer as a consequence."

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He said the links of fluoridating to staining teeth was "cosmetic" and was more common in parts of the country with far higher concentrations of fluoride in the water supply compared to Hull's plans of one part to one million.

In Birmingham, the first major area to introduce water fluoridation 50 years ago, the number of children with tooth decay almost halved in the first six years.

Those against fluoridation claim it is linked to illnesses including bone cancer and hip fractures and increases staining on teeth. However, in March last year, Public Health England examined fluoridated areas for signs of harm and found none.

When the first major fluoridation scheme was introduced in Birmingham in 1964, many people complained the water "tasted funny" on the day fluoride was supposed to have been added.

However, it emerged a last-minute glitch had prevented the chemical being added and people were still drinking the same water they had been drinking for years.

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EXPLORING: Tim Fielding said discussions are ongoing
Tim Fielding, city manager for Health and Wellbeing at the city council, said the authority was now "exploring the possibility" of introducing water fluoridation in Hull and a decision would be made on pursing the plan further after a meeting of the council's health scrutiny commission next month.

He said: "With advice from Public Health England (PHE), discussions are ongoing with all relevant parties to identify the potential costs and the exact extent of any residents that would be affected from local authorities outside of Hull.

"If a decision is made to proceed with fluoridation, a full public consultation will be included in the process.

"These proposals are just one element of Hull's oral health plan, which also includes a significant amount of work already underway with organisations, professionals and agencies across the city, including Hull CCG, midwives, children's centres, schools and health visitors

Thursday, October 20, 2016

Mayor's Forum on Fluoride Updated for internet

Australia - Premier’s surprise pledge for fluoride funding help

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk addresses councils from across the state - including the Far North - at the Gold Coast Convention Centre to officially launch the LGAQ annual conference. Pic Tim Marsden
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk addresses councils from across the state - including the Far North - at the Gold Coast Convention Centre to officially launch the LGAQ annual conference. Pic Tim MarsdenSMALL Far North councils look set to be the big winners following a surprise state government decision to pay for the costs of installing water fluoridation systems.
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk addressed councillors and mayors from across the state, including Cairns Mayor Bob Manning and councillors Cathy Zeiger, Richie Bates and Brett Moller, at a Local Government Association of Queensland conference at the Gold Coast yesterday.
The Premier committed to reintroducing a capped infrastructure grants program for councils wanting to introduce fluoride into their drinking water.
She said a similar program was cut by the Newman Government.
“I don’t want the infrastructure costs associated with fluoridating water to be a barrier for councils when considering its introduction,” Ms Palaszczuk said.
“The Newman Government, not only left the decision-making on fluoride to local government, but they left the financial burden to local government as well.
“When the former assistance program was cut there were numerous councils, including many indigenous councils, which never had the opportunity to take up the capital works funding.
“Personally, I’m a strong supporter of fluoridation.
“My message to councils is, if you make the decision to introduce fluoride into your drinking water, we will help you pay for the upfront costs — that is my commitment.”
Cairns Regional Council’s water and waste committee chairman Richie Bates welcomed the decision.
“The State Government can’t afford not to support fluoridation. This preventive health initiative will significantly reduce future costs on the already overblown Queensland Health budget,” Cr Bates said.
“But the mandating of fluoride at a state level remains a difficult task while noncommittal independents such as the Member for Cairns hold power.”

Wednesday, October 19, 2016

You Can’t See It, But There’s A LOT Of Stuff In Your Drinking Water

Avoid fluoride for a happier smile

Why I stopped using fluoride in my toothpaste
For as long as I can remember, fluoride has been pushed on me as a way to keep my teeth healthy and clean. Now, however, I avoid it like the plague. After years of serious teeth issues, avoiding this chemical has been the best decision I ever made.
I was born with remarkably soft teeth and was often prone to tooth decay and gum disease. Every time I went to the dentist I had to get a cavity filled. I was given silver caps on four of my teeth before elementary school. I’ve had teeth pulled. I’ve had braces. Anything that can go wrong with your teeth, you can bet I’ve experienced it. 
I had tried every kind of toothpaste, mouthwash and brushing regime. Out of desperation, I ordered a clay-based toothpaste called Earth Paste off of Amazon. I remembered that clay is supposed to help pull out toxins, and I thought the worst-case scenario was I blow five dollars on some weird toothpaste.
Instead, the best-case scenario happened. My teeth got better. It wasn’t immediate. It took about a month before I started to see results, but, sure enough, they were there.
My teeth were getting whiter by the week. They weren’t as sensitive anymore. It did such good that a cavity I was waiting to get filled actually remineralized! The next time I went into the dentist, they marveled at how healthy my mouth looked.
So what was different? I went to look at the tube of toothpaste, to see if there was an explanation somewhere, anywhere. That was the first time I noticed, in small letters towards the bottom it read “fluoride free.”
Immediately my heart sank. I thought this product had finally been helping me, but seeing those words made me fear it had been hurting me this whole time.
I decided before I threw the toothpaste out, along with my happiness, I would do some research on what exactly fluoride is supposed to do.
Low and behold, I was being lied to this whole time.
Firstly, fluoride has been proven not to affect teeth at all. In a study done by the U.S. National Institute of Health, the scientists found no correlation between tooth decay and fluoride exposure in children. In fact, the topical and internal intake of fluoride were affecting their ability to absorb magnesium, which does create stronger bones and teeth.
Furthermore, fluoride has been linked to many health problems.
According to Mercola, a health and wellness website, “fluoride is an endocrine disruptor that can affect your bones, brain, thyroid gland, pineal gland and even your blood sugar levels.” Fluoride cannot easily leave your system, rather, once you ingest it continues to accumulate in your body. And because there is already uncontrolled doses of fluoride in our water system, the need for it in toothpaste is obsolete. In fact, it’s potentially dangerous.

While we may not be able to control the fluoride in our water systems, there are filters you can purchase that will filter the fluoride out. That being said, the best way to actively lower your intake of fluoride is by purchasing fluoride free toothpaste. While it may seem a bit “crunchy,” I can personally guarantee that it’s worth it. Your mouth will thank you.

Australia - State Government to fund infrastructure for adding fluoride to public drinking water

Tom Snowdon, The Courier-Mail
THE Labor Government will fund infrastructure for adding fluoride to public drinking water after more councils decided to scrap the initiative in recent months.
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk made the announcement today at the Local Government Association of Queensland’s annual conference on the Gold Coast.
It comes ahead of a council debate at the conference about whether the State Government should pay for all costs of adding fluoride to water if it is made mandatory.
Ms Palaszczuk denied there were any plans to change the current legislative arrangements.
“However, we do not want the infrastructure costs associated with fluoridating the water to be a barrier for councils when considering this introduction,” Ms Palaszczuk said.
Mackay and Gladstone regional councils recently voted against continuing to add fluoride to the water amid community support to scrap the initiative.
The councils are now part of the 53 out of the state’s 77 that have chosen to avoid the practice. However, some of those councils already have small levels of naturally occurring fluoride in the water supply.
Ms Palaszczuk said the State Government would fund the infrastructure costs for adding fluoride to water through a similar grants scheme to the one that was axed under the Newman Government before many smaller councils had the opportunity to take advantage of the funding.
It is unclear how many Queensland councils still lack the appropriate infrastructure, nor how much it would cost to implement.
“In the near future we will finalise the structure of the grants program and consult with interested councils’, Ms Palaszczuk said.
“It will be capped and priority will be given to small councils with limited financial capacity.”
The Australia Dental Association has long backed the fluoridation of water supplies, demanding the State Government take back control of the initiative after it was made optional under the Newman Government.
However, anti-fluoride groups have labelled the practice as “unethical mass medication” without the “express consent of the community.”

Tuesday, October 18, 2016


Imran Hussain Shadow Minister (International Development)

To ask the Secretary of State for Health, what steps his Department is taking to increase understanding of dental care among young people.
Hansard source
(Citation: HC Deb, 17 October 2016, cW)

David Mowat The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health
Photo of David MowatWe are committed to improving the oral health of school children. As part of every child having the Best Start in Life, Public Health England (PHE) has established a Child Oral Health Improvement Programme Board with a substantial programme of work, working with others to improve children’s oral health.

As part of this programme of work, PHE has produced a toolkit to support local authorities (LAs) in their responsibility to improve dental health and reduce inequalities among children and young people in their area. The toolkit supports LAs to invest in programmes which have demonstrated improvement in children’s dental health such as targeted community-based fluoride varnish programmes, targeted nursery and school based tooth brushing programmes and water fluoridation.

More broadly, sugar consumption is the primary cause of tooth decay in children. The Change4Life Sugar Smart app launched in January 2016 provides parents with a tool to show how much total sugar is in every day food and drinks, to help them make healthier choices. Dental health professionals have also been provided with Change4Life toolkits to help them have conversations with parents about their children's oral health.

Oh no not water fluoridation again! They spent a million in a failed attempt to fluoridate Southampton. Don't they ever learn: we don't want it?
Good thing it is now the councils who have the last word.

As Flint Water Crisis Unfolded, Pharma Company Raised Price Of Lead Poisoning Drug 2,700 Percent

‘The saga of Flint, Michigan, where residents suddenly found themselves drinking lead-poisoned tap water, demonstrated how people become victims of corrupt government. If that weren’t enough, those who suffer the worst from lead poisoning find themselves the victim of shameless corporate greed.
As the Flint water crisis unfolded and we began finding out that lead-tainted water is a problem in cities across the country, one notorious pharmaceutical company saw a chance to cash in.’

Canada - Why not provide evidence if fluoridation works?

Peterborough This Week

By This Week 
To the editor:
A Canadian Press article on Wednesday Oct. 5 highlights a claim by a Moncton New Brunswick dentist that she has seen a “startling change” in tooth decay in her practice in that city since a moratorium on fluoridation began almost five years ago.  Suzanne Drapeau-McNally offered no study or data to back her claim: “I just know that it is beneficial.”  
Now a vote, organized by Mississauga-Streetsville MPP Bob Delaney, has passed in the Ontario Legislature to “ban cities from removing fluoride from their water supplies.”
The vote is non-binding, so it has no effect other than to prepare the public for the idea, in the event that legislation is introduced.
The promotion of fluoridation is becoming more desperate. In the face of  more Ontario communities voting to end the practice, and a lawsuit in Peel Region, the promoters are realizing that emotional appeals and force provide their only hope to maintain a practice that most of the world, including much of Canada, have rejected.  
The irony is that those opposed are often referred to as anti-science or, in the words of Mr. Delaney, “hysterical” and  “nutheads and fanatics.”
If  fluoridation truly is safe and effective, why are we seeing actions by the promoters that are not related to simply presenting the public with  the evidence?
David Green
Rocky Ridge Water

An old video but worth seeing again.

Australia - So when will a glass of water be fluoride free?

Mayor Greg Williamson raises a glass following Mackay Regional Council's decision to remove fluoride from the region's water.
IF YOU'VE been wondering when your water will be officially fluoride free, ponder no longer.
Mackay Regional Council has confirmed it will switch off Mackay region's water fluoridation systems on Monday, November 7.
It follows the council voting 6-5 to remove fluoride from the water supply on September 28.
Director of engineering and commercial infrastructure Jason Devitt said the November 7 shut-off date will see dosing equipment at the relevant water treatment sites at Nebo Road, Marian, Sarina and Marwood Bores switched off. 
However, it could take up to a week for remaining fluoride in the water to be flushed from the Mackay's region's water..........

....Fluoride was first added to the Mackay water supply in 2009, after the Queensland Government made it mandatory for any town with a population of more than 1000 people.
It was then added to the Sarina supply in 2010 and in the Marian/Mirani supply in late 2014, after the construction of a new water treatment plant in Marian.
But in 2012, the LNP Government made it optional for councils to fluoridate public water supplies, eventually leading to the council's divisive decision.

The front page of the Daily Mercury on December 17, 2009, when fluoride was first placed in our region's water supply.

The front page of the Daily Mercury on December 17, 2009, when 
fluoride was first placed in our region's water supply.Daily Mercury Archives